On this insightful episode of our technology-focused podcast, host Antony Savvas, Worldwide Know-how Editor, delves into the evolving panorama of the Web of Issues (IoT) and Synthetic Intelligence (AI) with business skilled Gabriel Salvate from BICS. They discover the idea of ‘connectivity twins’ and its pivotal position in environment friendly operations inside varied sectors. Gabriel sheds gentle on the mixing of AI and knowledge analytics in IoT, remodeling mundane objects into good, interconnected techniques. Plus, get a glimpse into the long run with a dialogue on Amazon’s modern drone supply system.
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[00:00:00] Antony Savvas: Hello, welcome to our newest Web of Issues and communication companies podcast. That is Antony Savvas, Worldwide Know-how Editor, accompanied by a definite business visitor. In the present day, the principle matter we’re speaking about is the environment friendly operations round connectivity twins. We’ll even be speaking about one other key growth within the communication business, and we’ll end our dialogue with some gentle hearted business information that has surfaced.
In the present day’s podcast is sponsored by BICS. BICS was established almost twenty years in the past, and it gives communication service suppliers and enterprises with quick access to digital communications, trusted fraud prevention, and analytics, together with IoT and 5G international connectivity. It has headquarters in Europe and groups everywhere in the world.
That’s BICS.com. Once more, I’m Antony Savvas. I’ve been overlaying the networking in telecom house repeatedly for the final 25 years, working as a author and editor for main worldwide expertise magazines and web sites. I’m at present a contributing editor for each IoT Now and communications service supplier title Vanilla Plus, a sister title of IoT Now.
My visitor at present is Gabriel Salvate from BICS. So Gabriel, what’s your job at BICS and what do you do there?
[00:01:29] Gabriel Salvate: Hiya, Antony. Thanks very a lot for inviting me for the session.
[00:01:34] Antony Savvas: It’s a pleasure.
[00:01:35] Gabriel Salvate: I’m a senior supervisor centered on the IoT journey mobility and cell non-public community at BICS. I’ve been working on this market since 2008. And it’s going to be a pleasure to speak with you at present.
[00:01:50] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So getting on to virtually, nicely, 16 years that shall be quickly, gained’t it, Gabriel?
[00:01:56] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate.
[00:01:57] Antony Savvas: Okay. Earlier than we go on to our most important matter of the day, discussing the connectivity twin, we’ll discuss one thing else. Gabriel, I perceive you need to discuss scaling the IoT worth chain with AI and knowledge analytics.
Earlier than I ask you a few questions, I’ll simply put folks within the loop who don’t know an excessive amount of about this. AI and knowledge analytics unlock precious insights from the huge knowledge generated from IoT units, enabling knowledge pushed determination making. So, Gabriel, how are these techniques to undertake, and might extra be achieved to permit their deployment?
[00:02:32] Gabriel Salvate: That’s query. However earlier than I’ll begin answering this one let’s simply go shortly to most important ideas of IoT and AI.
[00:02:41] Antony Savvas: That’s honest sufficient, Gabriel, yeah.
[00:02:43] Gabriel Salvate: I prefer to say that IoT is about turning common objects into good objects by giving them the power to speak with one another and with us.
And naturally, IoT it’s not a product, not an answer. IoT is an ecosystem. There are some research in regards to the amount of layers it might have, however I’d say there are three most important ones. So the primary one is the {hardware}, which now we have sensors and actuators, then now we have the connectivity. It might be LAN.
It might be WAN native wire community, wi-fi space community. And now we have the applying. Once we go to the AI half, AI just isn’t one thing actually new. It’s a broad subject of pc science that goals to create machines or, I’d say, techniques which can be able to performing duties that usually require human, I’d say, intelligence , these duties embrace studying, reasoning, downside fixing, understanding lateral language, perceptions. And the great half is that any longer that the adoption of AI, knowledge analytics along with IoT can carry important advantages that we are going to discover through the session at present.
[00:04:07] Antony Savvas: Okay, thanks very a lot for that nice define out of your facet Gabriel. That was very useful for the listeners. So going again to how, , whether or not these, techniques are straightforward to undertake or not. Can extra be achieved to permit their deployment in the event that they’re not that straightforward to deploy, I ought to say.
[00:04:25] Gabriel Salvate: Properly these days, 80% of the functions are hosted in cloud. So the principle problem from an IoT gadget is how this knowledge may be shared or how they’ll fill it, the, the cloud system. So principally corporations, the tech corporations similar to AWS, Microsoft and others. They’ve a type of host that may get this knowledge and every of their techniques there are some once more, there’s the cloud ecosystem and a part of this ecosystem. They’ve the machine studying instruments, they’ve AI instruments and and many others. That can be utilized to course of this knowledge. And one good instance is the predictive evaluation. So these days everybody has been speaking about that. And I really consider that is worth added and one thing straightforward that may be carried out utilizing or combining these two options.
[00:05:21] Antony Savvas: Yeah. Simply confirming IoT mixed with AI can predict tools failures, decreasing operational prices and downtime, for instance, and bettering service reliability usually. What’s the present take up of such options and which business verticals, as an illustration, are utilizing them probably the most? Is take up at present low total?
[00:05:42] Gabriel Salvate: Properly we do see an enormous variety of folks engaged on these verticals, evaluating mix each options. In fact, there are some industries on the forefront of adopting this. Some good examples are, I’ll say the primary one, it’s on the manufacturing facet. Then now we have fleet administration, telematics, good cities and there’s a good instance that I simply noticed lately to emphasise what I’m saying.
So after we are speaking about good cities. AI now can analyse visitors patterns in actual time and regulate visitors alerts timing to optimise the visitors movement. And naturally, on this visitors alerts, there are some IoT units getting the info and sharing the info within the cloud. So there are lots of good issues occurring.
However once more, these are the three and we can also add well being care as one other good one.
[00:06:43] Antony Savvas: So… healthcare, how important is that? Is that an vital space for BICS?
[00:06:48] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, we’re principally every part that’s in motion as we’re a, a house and supplier and individuals are at all times in motion, I’d say it’s a goal for us. However greater than that, we, we care about folks and the way this knowledge shall be shifting from an individual to assistant and ensuring that these folks shall be protected.
[00:07:12] Antony Savvas: Sure. Okay, so we’ve lined some main factors there, Gabriel. What’s the BICS story in all this concerning, for instance, let’s begin with AI. The place is the corporate with AI? Has it made lots of progress with that?
[00:07:26] Gabriel Salvate: That’s an fascinating query as a result of each time that we’re creating a brand new product at BICS, we attempt to perceive the problematic. And after we have been discussing implement AI in our options, strategy, work with these corporations, the principle query we had on the desk was, how can I get my gadget and connectivity knowledge into my software that’s hosted within the cloud. After which we determined to supply or to create an answer that principally is a one click on resolution to ship the connectivity and IoT gadget knowledge into the general public cloud in a scalable manner. That’s that’s vital to emphasise. However greater than that in a safe strategy to clear up lots of complexities of doing protocol conversions or delivering that knowledge into the general public cloud.
So, principally, we have been trying on unlock alternatives. So principally now you’ll be able to have, for instance, a 360 gadget administration view. You are able to do sooner troubleshooting. You possibly can have an finish to finish safety view. So a few of these advantages are extraordinarily vital, however… Going into your query by way of use instances particularly on the IoT facet.
We all know that the battery life cycle is among the most important nightmares for builders and and many others. And utilizing such a resolution, we will, for instance, predict the battery life for low energy huge space units, or we will determine when the gadget firmware must be up to date and issues like that.
In order that’s once more, a pleasant merge of the options and utilizing our resolution connectivity twin, we will permit clients to do such a stuff.
[00:09:27] Antony Savvas: That’s, that’s that seems like there’s some good progress being made there on the firm. In order that’s good to listen to. As a result of clearly everybody’s bought an AI story. And the very last thing we need to hear is what I’d name as AI washing. Similar to greenwashing on the subject of the atmosphere. It seems such as you’re making some actual progress there, Gabriel.
[00:09:44] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. So once more, the principle goal is to create, in the environment, as I mentioned, now we have the {hardware}, now we have the connectivity, now we have the applying. And typically builders, they need to handle completely different functions from completely different distributors. So, and this brings lots of complexity and that mentioned. So the thought right here is, in fact, we’re promoting for builders as a result of BICS is a, it’s a B2B firm and a part of our goal is to enhance I’ll say buyer journey, proper? And the shopper journey on the developer facet, and if they’ll purchase time, if they’ll optimize their resolution, if they’ll predict one thing utilizing our merchandise.
That is what we’re on the lookout for.
[00:10:28] Antony Savvas: And one other space, I think about that, , 5G has a significant position in all this, placing all of the vital items collectively and supporting them.
[00:10:37] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. Sure. 5G is, I imply one of many most important benefits to have IoT units operating on 5G it’s not solely in regards to the downloads, the add charges, and, and many others. So right here we’re speaking about latency. However the 5G will permit units to course of excessive or enormous quantity of knowledge and on the opposite facet it’s best to have or you need to have techniques that may predict actual time selections, proper?
[00:11:08] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So by way of actual time determination making that’s essential in these eventualities. What kind of progress as an organization have you ever achieved in actual time determination making to really assist the companions and the top clients there?
[00:11:23] Gabriel Salvate: Principally one of many, I’d say the, pillars of the AI is to optimize the choice making course of. In fact, if you find yourself creating a product, you might want to concentrate on how optimize operational prices, reduce downtimes and, and many others. Now with 5G, and BICS has been investing so much on 5G standalone, in order that’s one thing vital to spotlight. We do see an enormous variety of IoT units utilizing such a expertise, as a result of then you’ll be able to transact an enormous quantity of knowledge, after which, act and react as fast as attainable. It’s extraordinarily vital. In order that’s one other good instance of what IoT and AI can do collectively.
[00:12:06] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and total, I imply, we talked about scalability on the finish. Folks, , listening to this could be pondering, nicely, if, if I am going into this area and I need to take a look at issues, how do I truly, scale it as much as make it commercially advantageous to my firm? How can BICS, , assist these organizations with their scaling up of this expertise?
I think about you’ve bought the assist networks, the interior experience to assist them do this.
[00:12:32] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, that’s appropriate. What BICS does and it’s vital to emphasise. At BICS now we have two huge teams. We’ve got the Telco group, which we’re engaged on the 5G standalone promoting these options for MNOs. On the, on the enterprise facet, BICS is connectivity supplier. So we’re a part of the ecosystem.
So, by way of enabling clients to have the most effective connectivity by way of efficiency and and many others. However now we’re going one step past, so we’re working with the cloud suppliers to supply the answer by means of the connectivity twin. So right here once more, we will discuss stability, scalability on two completely different eventualities.
We will search for the connectivity perspective. So BICS owns the whole infrastructure and on the cloud facet, which gamers have been utilizing corporations similar to AWS and Microsoft or others, we’re a part of it. In order that’s the 2 methods we will work. Ensuring the builders or the corporate could have the most effective resolution for, for it.
[00:13:40] Antony Savvas: That’s nice. In order that was introduction to the podcast with our first matter there. We’re now going to maneuver on to the principle matter. So thanks for that first half, Gabriel. We’re going to be speaking about connectivity twins. Now, simply to form of set the scene right here for the viewers, talking of digital twins usually, a digital twin is principally software program illustration from sensors.
With digital twins, the thought is {that a} digital twin of an current product, for instance, is maintained with continually collected manufacturing and enterprise knowledge. That’s the overall idea of digital twins. What we’re speaking about right here at present Gabriel, isn’t it? Is the connectivity twin. And we had the topic of how can I get my gadget and connectivity knowledge into my software that’s hosted within the cloud?
So when you may simply clarify to the viewers, Gabriel, what are we speaking about after we discuss a connectivity twin?
[00:14:35] Gabriel Salvate: Good. Okay. So let’s suppose in three huge blocks. We’ve got the digital twin software, proper? Then now we have the connectivity which buyer can use BICS connectivity. After which the thought is: how can I carry connectivity knowledge within the cloud, simplifying the complexity of it? In order that’s the that’s the primary half.
So principally connectivity twins, it’s a digital illustration of gadget connectivity properties, proper? So on the connectivity, there are a number of objects that may be analysed and this let’s say this. Infos shall be out there for customers in a bidirectional manner to allow them to learn, they’ll test, they’ll act, and and many others.
So briefly, you’ll be able to carry connectivity knowledge straight to the digital twin platform. In order that’s the very first thing. The second you’ll be able to translate, them into an comprehensible language for our buyer, as a result of after we are speaking once more, utilizing the battery life cycle administration. So, right here now we have objects similar to DRX, PSM operator hat, and et cetera.
So we’re speaking about complicated, objects that may be simply offered in a dashboard for purchasers. And the third one is to supply precisely a wise connectivity dashboard. So briefly they may have the connectivity knowledge within the cloud. The info it’s going to be translated in easy phrases by means of dashboards, that’s I’d say the idea of the product. The great half is that may run in AWS and Microsoft, which represents, I’d say, 90 p.c of the functions.
[00:16:34] Antony Savvas: That’s proper. So what different advantages for the customers are there from this manner of working supplied by BICS and its companions? What different issues come to thoughts? I think about you’re pondering of, what are the listeners asking right here? What are the issues they’ll be screaming for?
So far as you’re involved. Is BICS addressing the problems our viewers are in all probability fascinated by there by way of what their wants are with this connectivity resolution?
[00:16:59] Gabriel Salvate: Properly, there are a number of objects that may be lined. I’d say the primary one is that you would be able to choose mechanically community with higher protection, proper? So one of many issues we offer, it’s a multi-IMSI and utilizing this resolution, you’ll be able to select the most effective one.
The second, we all know, is that clients are extraordinarily involved about fraud. Safety is among the subjects, so principally right here you’ll be able to block connectivity in case of suspected fraud. The third one I’ve highlighted earlier than is you might have the power to determine when the gadget must be up to date when the firmware must be upgraded, for instance and we’re speaking about low energy huge units like slender band IoT, LTE-M, cat-m you’ll be able to predict the battery life. In order that’s these 4 objects are extraordinarily vital within the IoT situation. And to finalise greater than that, you’ll be able to haven’t solely the connectivity knowledge however it’s also possible to have the gadget knowledge operating within the single or in the identical platform, the only pane of glass. That’s one other fascinating factor about this product.
[00:18:17] Antony Savvas: So simply, simply so I’ve bought this proper. So utilizing this resolution BICS clients can handle all their IoT units to achieve management to enhance the general high quality of service and knowledge safety for his or her clients. Is that, that is what we’re doing right here. Yeah.
[00:18:33] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. It’s completely appropriate.
[00:18:35] Antony Savvas: Okay. That’s nice to know. And is it proper that you just get the entire image by managing your connectivity and units from a single platform, successfully, is that appropriate?
[00:18:46] Gabriel Salvate: That’s appropriate. Then, as a result of briefly, we will I’ll say unlock new alternatives for purchasers as a result of now they’ve a DMP, a tool administration platform operating in a single facet. They’ve the connectivity administration platform operating in one other facet. In order that they do the interactions or the integrations through APIs.
However any longer, they may have the power to have each objects working collectively, after which it will assist them to have the 360 gadget administration view. So that you don’t must spend time on product integrations and that’s it. As I mentioned, it’s going to be a one single click on integration. That’s it.
Principally we’re serving to them to purchase in time.
[00:19:24] Antony Savvas: Yeah. So simply, I’ve bought this proper as nicely. So successfully, BICS clients combine their digital twin with all of the connectivity metadata of their SIMs or eSIMs to unlock new insights sooner. Is that this all linked to what you’re speaking about right here?
[00:19:39] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, yeah, that’s appropriate.
[00:19:41] Antony Savvas: Okay, proper. So, Gabriel there are points round , digital twins and associated to the connectivity twin, the info that’s been generated, it’s going up and up and up, identical to is in all places.
It impacts the IoT business. I’ve been at conferences earlier than. Some folks have defined that the sensors that exist are going to must be developed to really sustain with the processing energy which is producing all this knowledge. The chipsets are getting sooner. The sensors are going to must get sooner.
The quantity of knowledge being generated by corporations is getting greater. So the techniques must get extra highly effective. As an IoT business, which clearly BICS is a key participant in. How do you suppose as an ecosystem the IoT business with BICS can truly sort out these issues with its cloud companions in regards to the speeds of the info and the quantity of knowledge?
What comes into your thoughts by way of how we will transfer ahead as an business, Gabriel?
[00:20:42] Gabriel Salvate: That’s a wonderful level. Antony. Right here we, we see the applied sciences getting extra mature. So on the connectivity facet, now we have 5G. Now now we have 5 5G SA. The amount of knowledge that in a sure manner must be transacted are rising closely. There are some methodologies which we will deal with this knowledge.
Okay, so on the {hardware} facet now we have the sting computing half. So you’ll be able to course of the info close to to the sensor. So you may get the info, you’ll be able to interpret what’s vital or not. Disregard what just isn’t and ship to the subsequent layer what’s vital. On the connectivity facet because the networks are getting extra highly effective so we will guarantee that the latency it’s not going to be affected, that the obtain and add charges shall be okay and as quickly as the info arrives Into the cloud system then there’s an ecosystem prepared to organize that.
So simply to do an instance on the AWS and Microsoft, they’ve the IoT core or the IoT hub. So these two techniques, they act like a concierge. They are going to get the info and they’re going to distribute internally based mostly on the shopper software, after which you’ll be able to apply machine studying, you’ll be able to apply synthetic intelligence, you’ll be able to retailer knowledge, you’ll be able to merely present the info and disrespect the remainder. So there are some methods to implement this, nevertheless it’s an vital truth, and BICS has been investing closely within the community facet, to verify we will supply the most effective resolution for our clients.
[00:22:30] Antony Savvas: And there’s an extension that very briefly, clearly, I imply, knowledge safety and IoT, it’s an entire new podcast by itself, however briefly after we discuss how the info safety wants are evolving and the way the business can truly have a look at knowledge safety. How do you see the business dealing with that within the medium to long run scenario?
[00:22:51] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, safety if it’s not the primary one is the second matter most mentioned in, in the environment. So once more, there are a number of components the place the safety layers are relevant. Okay, so on the connectivity facet, there’s a resolution referred to as IoT SAFE, which is a normal outlined by the GSMA.
So it’s a root of belief resolution that may be put in immediately within the SIM card as a way to guarantee that nobody could have entry to the SIM card itself, proper? There are different ones which you are able to do the identical on the {hardware} facet, so you’ll be able to, for instance, apply digital non-public networks or non-public APNs as a way to be sure that.
So once more, there are a number of methodologies on deal with this. However in that that’s probably the most vital subjects in the intervening time.
[00:23:52] Antony Savvas: Yeah, and thanks for these key pointers, Gabriel, possibly we’ll discuss that as a separate podcast within the sooner or later. So, clearly we’ve been fairly detailed about among the the overall points, speaking in regards to the business usually, and, and going, going into what, BICS is doing, the way it’s shifting ahead.
It’s vital to verify we don’t miss something right here. So would you prefer to have every other details about, , the BICS providing? A few of the key factors which, due to my fault, I haven’t truly dropped at the floor right here. So is there anything you’d prefer to say what BICS particularly is doing with this connectivity twin technique and providing?
[00:24:27] Gabriel Salvate: Sure, I prefer to say that BICS is shifting from connectivity. We use it to be a connectivity supplier and now we’re an answer supplier, proper? So now we have, in fact, now we have our core community, so we’re a world MVNO, MVNE. So now we have non-public IPX options. We’ve got regional platforms, now we have NEFB core expertise and and many others.
However once more on this atmosphere, it’s at all times vital to grasp what is going on and see how one can adapt your self. So we launched lately two new layers. One is the worth added companies, which now we have eSIM for customers and eSIMs for IoT options. We’ve got connectivity twin, now we have good knowledge, which is I’d say the distinctive and international actual time knowledge analytics platform. We’ve got options for resellers, now we have the IoT SAFE after which now we have the skilled companies.
So principally now clients can have, the assist through the growth part from an skilled staff that may assist them throughout the whole course of. In order that’s what we’re doing now. In fact, connectivity twin is among the most fascinating tasks that we’re engaged on.
And once more, it’s vital to emphasise that it’s not solely about connectivity, nevertheless it’s about how we assist clients on the ecosystem itself.
[00:25:55] Antony Savvas: Okay, nicely thanks for that nice dialogue. I’m positive there are a lot of vital and fascinating items of data for the listeners to digest there. We’ll end at present with some extra gentle hearted business developments. Gabriel one thing has caught your eye and earlier than you, will discuss it, I’ll simply inform the readers the place we learn this.
In it was reported in IoT tech information and different locations to be trustworthy about Amazon’s plans about increasing their prime edge roaming package deal supply system to worldwide areas. Beginning subsequent yr, clients within the UK, Italy. And a 3rd undisclosed metropolis within the U. S. could have the choice to obtain their packages through drones.
And we talked about drones at the start of our dialog, that among the listeners might keep in mind. The present Prime Air service is already operational within the U. S., and it has been for a yr, and it’s been delivering packages weighing as much as 5 kilos with one hour. That’s fairly a key service promise.
Prime Air’s growth will embrace the introduction of the MK 30 drone, which can also be a quieter, smaller, and lighter mannequin in comparison with its predecessors. And so it seems like there’s some thrilling information after maybe speaking about this over, um, the previous couple of years. Gabriel, how do you truly see this Trade alternative creating and might you see any difficulties, for instance…
[00:27:22] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. That’s one of many the explanation why I really like expertise. So we will see these issues occurring. And naturally, bettering our lives in the long run of the day. That’s what’s vital. It’s a pleasant instance on how IoT, robotics and synthetic intelligence can work collectively. So you might have a drone that’s managed by somebody, and principally, you’ll be able to ship packages remotely. So look, you might have a drone with an enormous quantity of sensors related in a 5G community, taking selections in actual time, sending maybe SMS or message to the top clients informing that the package deal shall be delivered then you might want to guarantee that nobody will entry the drone and alter the route.
So safety is, one of many vital subjects. Then you might want to guarantee that your air visitors system shall be out there to have these drones working , that there are lots of elements working on the identical kind of mission. So this might be thought-about IoT, robotics, AI, but in addition a part of the good metropolis mission.
It’s one thing that can assist to enhance our lives, that’s what I really like and I really consider that is one thing extraordinarily disruptive and greater than that, we can not neglect that these drones even have a GPS or satellite tv for pc connections. So that you see a 5G satellite tv for pc on the connectivity facet, you see cloud, synthetic intelligence, machine studying, taking real-time selections, saving the info, informing the shopper. Then you might have one other communication platform to avoid wasting the info, so there’s a bunch of functions operating into the identical ecosystem. It’s actually actually fascinating. And I really consider that is the long run.
And greater than this, it’s occurring and it’s occurring now.
[00:29:24] Antony Savvas: That’s it. It’s what we name vanguard expertise, however then what some folks additionally describe as bleeding edge expertise, and I think about that could be a BICS might need to get extra concerned when possibly it’s not bleeding a lot. Is that appropriate?
[00:29:37] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, we try to organize ourselves for that. That’s the purpose.
[00:29:44] Antony Savvas: Okay. So I’ll simply inform the listeners now, I imply that’s the top of podcast that making the factors. However there’s a, there’s a little bit of housekeeping right here. I’ve bought to say the very fact there’ll a transcript of vital dialogue right here, the entire podcast and seem on the printed podcast on our web site, and it’ll verify any hyperlinks that we’ve been speaking about as nicely. I’d additionally um, like to present the listeners the chance to have the ability to contact you in the event that they needed to Gabriel. So, what could be one of the best ways of them, , monitoring you down on the web? What, is there any social media platform you’d like to say that they’ll contact you?
[00:30:20] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah, I can share my LinkedIn sure. Yeah. I can put right here within the, the chat. https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabriel-salvate-97200429/
[00:30:26] Antony Savvas: So possibly we may put these within the transcript. So when you may provide these we will put them within the transcript after which they may simply contact you. Is that honest sufficient?
[00:30:35] Gabriel Salvate: Yeah. In fact.
[00:30:36] Antony Savvas: Okay. Proper. And so after that very detailed dialogue, it simply stays for me to say thanks very a lot to the listeners for tuning in.
After which, whenever you see this podcast printed, when you may use the social media buttons on the printed podcast to tell us what you considered it. And that simply stays for me to say that’s goodbye from me, Antony Savvas. And Gabriel, it’s goodbye from you, sure?
[00:31:01] Gabriel Salvate: Sure. It was a pleasure to speak with you. Trying ahead for the subsequent alternative. Thanks very a lot.
[00:31:06] Antony Savvas: Completely. Thanks very a lot. Bye bye all. Bye bye now.
[00:31:09] Gabriel Salvate: Bye bye.
